Eu nu imi vaccinez fata anti HPV!
Raspunsuri - Pagina 8
sirimie spune:
despre vaccinul pentru baieti: eu am inteles ca se considera pentru ca si baietii pot fi purtatori de HPV. dar numai ca idee, deocamdata
Va dorim sa cresteti mari si frumosi! 
Simona & Vladut (27 februarie 2005) & Monica (23 aprilie 2009)
Am blog si poze in album
Diferenta intre cum este si cum ar trebui sa fie
Andrei are nevoie de ajutor: http://andrei.seek-on.com/ro
Despre Andrei
voljena spune:
| Citat: |
| Asadar si prin urmare , ar fi bun si pt. ei m dar nu stiu daca s-au facut teste ori nu . |
Gardasil is licensed for boys and girls aged nine to 15 and women aged 16 to 26.
articol din febr 2007... nu ca m-as fi asteptat ca informatia sa fi ajuns deja in romania...
XIO spune:
| Citat: | ||
citat din mesajul lui voljena
Gardasil is licensed for boys and girls aged nine to 15 and women aged 16 to 26. articol din febr 2007... nu ca m-as fi asteptat ca informatia sa fi ajuns deja in romania... |
Da, eu nu stiam , dar ma bucur sa aflu ca sunt vazuta ca Romania , si nu ca omul X din Romania.
"Mult mai grava ar fi etichetarea nedreapta a unei persoane pe care nu o cunosc deloc "
***Fur is for petting**
http://accesoriisihaine.blogspot.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/greecky/
voljena spune:
| Citat: |
Da, eu nu stiam , dar ma bucur sa aflu ca sunt vazuta ca Romania , si nu ca omul X din Romania. |
pai regulamentul DC... si apoi tu n-ai inca patalama si daca vazui ca nici la camera de garda nu s-a aflat...
elyanne spune:
Eu inca raman la parerea mea... control si PAP la 6 luni... cu siguranta asa afli din timp de mai multe, nu doar de infectia cu HPV... care nu este singura raspunzatoare pt. cancerul de col
Cel putin la noi in tara, ingoranta si lipsa de educatie sexuala a celor mai multe dintre femei duc la cancerul de genul asta 
Un vaccin n-o sa rezolve mai nimic, din pacate...
Degeaba esti vaccinata daca n-ai pic de educatie legat de protectie... sau nu dai doi bani pe controalele si analizele ginecologice regulate Cred ca e egal cu zero vaccinul in cazul asta ... Daca de ex. te pricopsesti cu o rana pe col din alte motive, fara legatra cu HPV... si nu dai pe la doctor cu anii... ai multe sanse sa ajungi la cancer
Pana acum dr. pediatrul si dr. ginecolog nu sunt convinsi ca vaccinul este o varianta... deocamdata spunem pas... si pana va veni vremea vaccinarii mandrei mai intrebam ... dar deocadata, daca maine ar trebui sa-i fac vaccinul as zice NU... tinand cont de parerea celor doi doctori...
Iar partea cu boli inventate... evident ca nu este cazul... iar ca firmele farmaceutice manipuleaza... iarasi nu sunt convinsa... dar sunt convinsa ca exista alte cai mult mai bune de prevenire a cancerului de col... si nu doar cel cauzat de cele 4 tulpini HPV...
CONCURS „Cat de fericit e copilul tau“ www.desprecopii.com/POZECONCURS/folderview.asp?bid=3&folder=Cat de fericit e copilul tau KLORANE&page=6" target="_blank">ely1 & www.desprecopii.com/POZECONCURS/folderview.asp?bid=3&folder=Cat de fericit e copilul tau KLORANE&page=7" target="_blank">ely2
XIO spune:
| Citat: | ||
citat din mesajul lui voljena
pai regulamentul DC... si apoi tu n-ai inca patalama si daca vazui ca nici la camera de garda nu s-a aflat... |
Nu stiam de unde sa iau tonul asta acid si superior , dar mi-am amintit cu ocazia mesajului citat ca tu erai doamna care radea cand povesteam cum sora prietenului meu are cancer la san.
nu stiu ce notiuni ai tu despre sistemul sanitar si medicina , dar din ce ai exprimat pe aici iti sugerez sa te mai informezi , ca nu prea stiu de unde sa iau "camera de garda" unde ai tu impresia ca e un desfasurator cu stiri, lucrari si alte cele.
"Mult mai grava ar fi etichetarea nedreapta a unei persoane pe care nu o cunosc deloc "
***Fur is for petting**
http://accesoriisihaine.blogspot.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/greecky/
voljena spune:
| Citat: |
| Nu stiam de unde sa iau tonul asta acid si superior , dar mi-am amintit cu ocazia mesajului citat ca tu erai doamna care radea cand povesteam cum sora prietenului meu are cancer la san. nu stiu ce notiuni ai tu despre sistemul sanitar si medicina , dar din ce ai exprimat pe aici iti sugerez sa te mai informezi , ca nu prea stiu de unde sa iau "camera de garda" unde ai tu impresia ca e un desfasurator cu stiri, lucrari si alte cele. |
stiam de la mama ca pt medicina e nevoie de memorie buna... nu prea ma vad razand la o veste de diagnostic de cancer... tin minte sigur ca la tata nu am ras... ah! si nici la mama... tine aici de la mine 
si sugestia cu informarea poate ar fi bine s-o aplici propriei persoane... ca io m-as
sa vina un civil sa-mi arate ca-s 2 ani jumate ramasa in urma in meseria mea...
denizel spune:
Stiti ce nu inteleg eu?
Nu inteleg usurinta cu care e tratata apartia cancerului. Cancer depistat in faza incipienta, la asta ma refer.
Zice toata lumea ca face Pap. la 1 an si, gata, chiar daca s-ar imbolnavi in perioada dintre Pap-uri, ce mare scofala??
Oameni buni, e cancer!!!!!! In faza incipienta, da, dar e cancer!!!!!
Si, din cate stiu, asta nu se trateaza cu Nurofen 3 tb/zi, Vitamina C 2 tb/zi si ceai cu multa miere si lamaie.
Pai, sa fereasca Dumnezeu orice femeie sa se duca la dr. la 1 an de la ultimul consult si sa fie anuntata ca are cancer. Chiar si in faza incipienta.
Ce face o femeie in cazul asta?
Iese zambitoare din cabinet, isi suna prietenii si le spune "baaai, am cancer. Aaa, da' stati linistito ca nu-i nasol, ca-s abia la inceput"
Ce ma intereseaza ca vaccinul nu contine chiar toate tulpinile??? Zic sarumana si bodaproste pentru alea pe care le contine si sar in sus de bucurie ca macar impotriva alora o sa fiu protejata.
Ca o sa am ghinionul sa le culeg de undeva pe celelalte doo care-au mai ramas, asta e.
Nu toata lumea e intr-atat de ghinionista incat sa se pricopseasca fix cu tulpinile alea lipsa din vaccin , dar muuuulta lume se imbolnaveste de cancer.... :(
Nu puteai sa ma faci sa recunosc ca o situatie e imposibil de rezolvat si ca e fara sorti de izbanda, caci eram incontinuu in cautarea unei solutii si, de fapt, problema se punea daca eram un om optimist sau un om prea prost - Saul Bellow, Aventurile lui Augie March
bird70 spune:
Eu nu inteleg de ce fiecare mama care descopera existenta teoriilor conspirationiste la adresa vaccinurilor incearca sa porneasca o revolutie impotriva lor ? Nu vrei sa-ti vaccinezi copilul, nu-l vaccina! Dar de unde fascinatia asta pentru teorii conspirationiste? Am senzatia ca s-au terminat imunostimulantele, vitaminele, mineralele si stimulantele cerebrale, vaccinurile din plante si ceaiurile de picioru' cocosului si limba ursului, toate antibioticele clasice si cele de ultima generatie, in combinatii autorizate sau in combinatii imaginate de fiecare doctor in parte.
Mi se pare asa interesanta reactia romanului la autoritate. Daca un tratament este autorizat si recomandat de autoritati, sigur e o conspiratie si e nociv pentru noi. Daca insa tratamentul este inventat/preparat de vreun 'vraci' in spatele 'farmaciei', daca medicamentul se recomanda doar in anumite cazuri grave (vezi imunostimulante, antibiotice de ultima generatie, etc) si nu pentru orice problema, atunci toata lumea se va inghesui sa-l incerce pe propria piele si pe cea a copilului fara sa vada nimic anormal in asta.
Health is a state of physical, mental and social wellbeing and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity . World Health Organisation
Andrada spune:
| Citat: |
| citat din mesajul lui Oana-Laura Vaccine Studies: Under the Influence of Pharma Posted by: Dr. Mercola March 05 2009 | 29,246 views By Barbara Loe Fisher If you take more than a casual look at the way the mass vaccination system in the U.S. works, you see that pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines have a lot of clout. It was the pharmaceutical industry that told Congress in 1982 that they were going to leave the nation without vaccines if they didn't get liability protection but have opposed making it less difficult for vaccine victims to obtain federal compensation in the U.S. Court of Claims under a 1986 law that gave them liability protection. It is Pharma lobbyists, who bully the FDA into fast tracking vaccines like Gardasil and who sit at the CDC's policymaking tables urging that new vaccines be recommended for use by all children so they can persuade state legislators to mandate vaccines like influenza vaccine. How Big Pharma Influences Medical Journals A recent study published in the British Medical Journal reveals the clout that Big Pharma has in the world of medicine journal publishing, specifically the publishing of scientific articles about vaccines. In a Cochrane Collaboration review and analysis of published influenza vaccine studies found that influenza vaccine studies sponsored by industry are treated more favorably by medical journals even when the studies are of poor quality. This analysis confirms that drug companies marketing vaccines have a major influence on what gets published and is said about vaccines in medical journals. It is no wonder that there are almost no studies published in the medical literature that call into question vaccine safety. The preferential treatment of Pharma-funded studies also explains why the risks of an inappropriately fast-tracked vaccine like Gardasil are underplayed in the medical literature and why a physician like Andrew Wakefield, M.D. who dared to publish a study in 1998 in a medical journal (The Lancet) calling for more scientific investigation into the possible link between MMR vaccine and regressive autism, has been mercilessly persecuted for more than a decade, by both Pharma-funded special interest groups, as well as public health officials maintaining close relationships with vaccine manufacturers. Study Finds No Correlation Between Quality of Study and Publication This recent review identified and assessed 274 published studies on influenza vaccines for their methodological quality and found no relationship between study quality, publication in prestige journals or their subsequent citation in other articles. The researchers also found that most influenza vaccine studies are of poor quality but those with conclusions favorable to influenza vaccinations are of significantly lower methodological quality. The single most important factor determining where the studies were published or how much they were cited was sponsorship, with those partially or wholly funded by the pharmaceutical industry having higher visibility. The authors commented: "The study shows that one of the levers for accessing prestige journals is the financial size of your sponsor. Pharma sponsors order many reprints of studies supporting their products, often with in house translations into many languages. They also purchase advertising space in the journal. Many publishers openly advertise these services on their website. It is time journals made a full disclosure of their sources of funding”. The HPV Vaccine -- Just One Example of Inappropriate Influence Endangering Public Health Last month the National Vaccine Information Center (www.NVIC.org) called on the Obama Administration and Congress to investigate Gardasil vaccine risks. NVIC has long questioned the inappropriate influence of vaccine manufacturers in federal vaccine licensing and policymaking and state vaccine mandates. In 2006, Merck's Gardasil vaccine was fast tracked by the FDA at Merck's request and in 2007 Merck lobbyists mounted an aggressive lobbying campaign to get Gardasil mandated by state legislators for all sixth grade girls, which would have assured the big drug company a predictable market. The Pharma lobbying effort in 2007 to get all states to mandate Gardasil failed but every other vaccine produced by drug companies and licensed by the FDA in the past quarter century has been mandated. Those new mandates were added to state vaccine laws by legislators and public health officials at the urging of vaccine manufacturer lobbyists and Pharma funded organizations touting vaccine studies published in the medical literature. Massive Increase in Number of Vaccines Given In the past three decades, the numbers of doses of government recommended vaccines for children and medical organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics has tripled to 69 doses of 16 vaccines, with 48 doses of 14 vaccines targeted to children under age six. Pharma lobbyists have persuaded most states to pass laws requiring two to three dozen doses of most of the 16 government recommended vaccines. Last year New Jersey became the first state to mandate influenza vaccine for children attending daycare and school. In the past few years, Dr. Jefferson has authored several independent reviews of influenza studies published in the medical literature for the Cochrane Collaboration, which have been published in the British Medical Journal, questioning the quality of published scientific evidence for influenza vaccine effectiveness and safety for the elderly as well as children. Clearly, if the makers and marketers of vaccines can influence the quality and quantity of the scientific evidence published in the medical literature proving that vaccines are safe and effective -- evidence that is used by states to mandate vaccines and by the U.S. Court of Claims to deny compensation to vaccine injured children -- then Congress was wrong in 1986 to protect the makers and marketers of vaccines from liability for injuries and deaths caused by those vaccines. Government Vaccine Recommendations Based on Tainted Evidence The U.S. Court of Claims vaccine injury compensation awards, and state vaccine mandates are justified on the strength of scientific published in medical journals. It is time for medical journals to disclose all financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry. It is time for studies questioning the safety and effectiveness of vaccines to receive a fair hearing in scientific journals rather than editors confining themselves to primarily publishing studies funded by the pharmaceutical industry maintaining that every vaccine is totally safe, effective and necessary. Kudos to the British Medical Journal for having the integrity to publish Dr. Jefferson's comprehensive analysis of pharmaceutical money influence on vaccine studies published in the medical literature. Hopefully, this will be a wake-up call for the scientific community, Congress and the public to put an end to the undue influence the pharmaceutical industry has on the science and policy of mass vaccination in the U.S. |
Mai nimic din articol nu este adevarat. "Nature", "Lancet" sint cele mai credibile din domeniu si sint primele care au ridicat semnalele de alarma impotriva Big Pharma cind a fost cazul.
New Jersey nu a mandatat vaccinul antigripal. Si mai mult, in NJ ptr anumite motive poti refuza absolut orice vaccinare.
Studiile ptr vaccine sint platite in majoritate de Big Pharma cu doua aspecte: pe de o parte in mod ideal pot aparea mai multe medicamante pe de alta parte au control 20 de ani asupra licentei-pret marit.
Studiile in USA au 4 faze (Gardasil abia a terminat faza 4 de evaluare) si nr de pacienti ptr fiecare faza si conditiile de participare/desfasurare...etc sint unice. Dupa faza 3 si studii pe cel putin 3000 de pacienti (daca boala ptr care e prescris permite), medicamentul apare pe piata.
De aceea medicamentele ies astazi pe piata muuult mai greu decit in trecut, daca ies. Daca nu exista un pericol iminent, unui medicament ii ia in medie 15 ani de la formula chimica pina la productie.
Un medicament nu trebuie judecat dupa citi bani face firma care il produce (si pe piine cineva face bani) ci dupa eficienta.
Medicamentele astazi ies mult mai greu pe piata, muult mai putine si le ia in medie de 10 ori mai mult. Moldamin (benzo-penicilina), ivrabadina, nitroglicerina, medicamente care au salvat si salveaza in continuare vieti, prin procedeele curente de evaluare nu ar mai fi posibil sa se faca nici macar testari pe oameni, nicidecum sa apara pe piata. Pur si simplu nu ar trece prin testele curente de "safety"
Toate 3 de mai sus au si efecte secundare grave.
A