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orhidee spune:
Hai sa va spun si voua ce descoperire am facut azi ca nici acum nu-mi vine a crede! Ne-am dus noi la Costco azi si al meu sot zice hai sa luam si noi niste carnati din astia ca nu am mai mancat de mult. In fine si cum sunt eu cu cititul, ce contin, ce nu contin ...ce credeti ca scria: no MSG.
Deci pana la urma toata treaba asta cu MSG este adevarata!
Dar tot nu am vrut carnatii!!! pt ca in ce am citit eu scria ca mai ales sa te feresti de produsele care au si mentiunea no MSG! Pe mine m-a cam pus pe ganduri si nu mai stiu cum sa triez si ce sa mai mancam si ce nu!
Voi ce ziceti de MSG-ul asta?
Cu mult drag si spor! Orhidee
xela29 spune:
Buna la toata lumea!
Vin si eu cu oarece dileme. Stie cineva un avocat roman in Florida?
Apoi, am tot vazut preturi si estimate in ceea ce priveste dosarele pentru INS. Acum vin si eu cu o idee mareata. Hartiile alea toate, pot sa le completez si singura si sa le pun impreuna. A mai facut careva toate demersurile astea pe cont propriu? Stiu ca se recomanda avocatul, dar se poate si fara?
Ne-am hotarat si noi sa facem toate demersurile necesare ca sa urmez si eu niste cursuri aici si fara SSN normal ca nu ne convine.
Stiu ca o sa dureze, dar nimic nu mai e rapid, asa ca suntem pregatiti sa asteptam.
In speranta ca nu am intrat intr-un subiect care a mai fost "super discutat" si pe care l-am omis eu, va multumesc anticipat pentru eventualele sugestii.
... words are tools...
xela29 spune:
Hai ca ma sperii... alea fara MSG sunt periculoase sau cele care spun "NO MSG" ? Eu stiam ca toate cele cu MSG... dar nu stiam ca trebuie sa ma feresc de cele pe care spune ca nu au. Promit sa cercetez, dar daca stiti ceva concret, astept detalii...
... words are tools...
michelle7 spune:
MSG Symptom Complex
For years MSG Symptom Complex has been known in the US by the misnomer Chinese Restaurant Syndrome. We do not use that term anywhere on this site, except this page. The reason is quite simple. Calling this health problem Chinese Restaurant Syndrome not only does a disservice to Chinese Restaurant owners who do not add MSG, but it also dangerously hides the fact that American processed food is now so loaded with the flavor enhancer Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) as to be the largest source of MSG in the average American diet. Most Americans, when told MSG is harmful respond with "I don't eat Chinese food, so I don't need to worry".
However, Consider this:
American Diet Syndrome
FRIED CHICKEN - What could be more American than Fried Chicken? KFC chicken actually contains so much MSG that in one country at least, KFC exceeded the legal limit for adding MSG to their chicken.
FLAVORED SNACK CHIPS - Most flavored potato chips and snack chips contain MSG. Doritos, a very popular food among American teens, has at least four sources of free glutamate - the business end of MSG.
CANNED AND INSTANT SOUP - Lipton, Knorr, Progresso and ramen noodle, and boullion cube manufacturers put MSG in their products. Products most Americans have been raised on, and not a few American office workers have stashed in their desk for those overtime evenings when a home cooked meal is out of the question, and foods poor college students practically live on.
CANNED TUNA - Most brands of canned tuna in the US have "broth" added or hydrolyzed vegetable protein added, which can contain up to 20% free glutamate. Manufacturers add this to hide any off flavors.
FRESH TURKEY - Many "self-basting" fresh turkeys and chickens sold in US supermarkets have solutions injected into them - solutions that contain free glutamate.
This is only a few of the products that have MSG added to them - products most Americans are unaware have MSG added to them.
Difference Between Chinese and American Restaurants
Chinese food, for the most part consists of fresh vegetables quickly cooked. MSG is added at the end as a condiment. It can be NOT added at the consumers request. Most Chinese Restaurant owners also know what else on the menu contains natural MSG - soy sauce for instance is naturally loaded with free glutamate. Wait staff at a Chinese restaurant will often steer the MSG sensitive patron away from dishes containing soy sauce as well as MSG. At Asian restaurants, they know what is in the food because they put it there.
Most American restaurants today purchase their foods from large US food companies that have what are called "Food Service" divisions. In American restaurants, most wait staff and often the cooks don't know what is in the food, because the soup base probably came from a can, those cute little jalapeno poppers came from a brightly colored bag in the freezer, and very little is actually "fresh". And, unfortunately, most American food scientists use the fact that soy sauce, and hydrolyzed vegetable protein naturally contains free glutamate to give their free glutamate containing products what is called "a clean label". So even cooks and wait staff don't even know what they are reading on the labels. The people who create the foods supplied to American restaurants have absolutely no compunction about hoping you don't know that MSG is in your food when you are consciously trying to avoid it.
Who Started It?
The truth is, the country where MSG was first isolated (in 1908) and used was Japan. A Japanese company called Ajinomoto - only recently found guilty of price-fixing MSG on the world market, is today the prime maker of MSG. Japan is also where taurine and CoQ10 are now used to treat heart disease, and ginger and taurine-rich sushi are eaten alongside MSG sprinkled food. These foods have protective effects against an MSG reaction. However, even the Japanese have found recently that MSG fed to mice can lead to blindness. The Japanese are concerned about the health affects of MSG. Should we not be also?
Then Why Chinese Restaurant Syndrome?
The reason MSG may have been associated with Chinese food, and not Japanese food, may be the protective effects of raw fish and fresh ginger in Japanese cuisine mentioned above, but also that taurine is found mostly in animal products, and that Chinese food is often low in meat. Also, taurine is destroyed by high heat, and foods are often cooked at high temperatures in Chinese stir frying.
It is interesting to note the joke that after eating MSG in foods at a Chinese restaurant "you are hungry an hour later", may have some merit. The glutamate in MSG acts as an insulin trigger. This will definitely give you a hunger response about an hour and a half later. This fact has not been lost on American food manufacturers. They know the value of an addictive food ingredient. If they keep you hungry for more, they have succeeded.
MSG-free Tips on Eating at Asian Restaurants
We don't want to discourage anyone from the pleasures of eating Asian cuisine. MSG is actually easier to avoid in an Asian restaurant, than in an American one.
Ask for NO MSG in your food.
Avoid soy sauce
Avoid soups, and sauces
Instead of a sushi roll ask for sashimi - no seaweed
NO SEA TANGLE, NO FISH EXTRACT, NO SEAFOOD EXTRACT - these can make an MSG sensitive person very ill.
Make sure no MSG or seafood extracts were added to the rice if you order Chirashi
Use vinegar and wasabi instead of soy sauce to dip your sashimi
Think fresh - ask for a quick MSG-free stir fry of fresh vegetables, water chestnuts, bamboo shoots, unmarinated meat, plain noodles, fresh ginger, plain sesame oil.
Avoid dishes that look too mixed together and marinated.
Avoid saki - sometimes MSG is added to warmed saki to remove the bitterness. In fact, go easy on alcohol altogether - your liver is needed in good condition if you should have an MSG reaction
Avoid those little crunchy appetizers - they often contain MSG.
Green tea is a good idea to drink with your meal.
Avoid sauces and dishes like Egg Foo Yung which consist of sauces likely to contain MSG
At Dim Sum restaurants, avoid the sauces they deliver on the side, and choose foods not sauced already.
Most Asian restaurants serve very simple desserts which often consist of fresh fruit - usually oranges. It is a good idea to eat this, as Vitamin C helps mitigate any MSG reaction.
Korean food is interesting as there are safer dishes like those served in very hot bowls, where rice, raw vegetables, and raw egg are added to the bowl, and it cooks right in front of you at the table. Sauce is suppied on the side, but you don't need to use it.
In Korean restaurants steer clear of the Kim Chee, the red pickled cabbage - it often contains MSG.
Try Thai food - there are many soy-free choices - it has fresh bright flavors - but also ask for NO MSG. Thai sauces which are creamy are usually made from coconut milk, an interesting flavor.
Vietnamese food - vietnamese food is also interesting to try, in some dishes, star anise gives this cuisine the exotic flavor of licorice. Again, ask for NO MSG.
Do not drink any aspartame diet drinks with your meal. Aspartame is just as bad for you as MSG. Aspartame and MSG have a synergistic effect.
So - basic rules of thumb-
Always ask for NO MSG
NO TANGLE, FISH, OR SEAFOOD EXTRACT
Think fresh - avoid marinaded foods
No dipping sauce
Eat your fruit, drink your green tea, eat fresh ginger
No soy sauce, limit alcohol, avoid diet drinks- especially with aspartame
CONCLUSION
Asian cuisine should be treasured and enjoyed for the fresh vegetables, and fresh fish it contains. MSG is considered an avoidable condiment in Asian cooking, not the main attraction. In fact, our favorite restaurants to eat at are Asian because most foods are served with sauces on the side and many restaurants now offer NO MSG in anything. So, if you skip the soy sauce and talk to the staff ahead of time about your concerns, you can usually have a wonderful, fresh meal, without getting ill. In American Restaurants often MSG is added because the other ingredients may be inferior or already processed, or out of a can, or not as fresh as you'd like. Often, if the restaurant is a chain, like McDonalds, or KFC, the food is often precooked or prepared at a different location first. (Recently, McDonalds admitted that its french fries are precooked elsewhere with a "seasoning" .) Because of this MSG Symptom Complex could just as easily be called American Diet Syndrome.
Unfortunately, Americans are not looking for MSG in the most important place they should be: American food. That is why we DON'T call MSG Symptom Complex - Chinese Restaurant Syndrome.
michelle7 spune:
MSG by any other name.......
In Japan, MSG is labeled as .... ( erau patru patrate mici....)
In China, MSG = Ajinomoto
In the Phillipines, MSG = Vetsin
In Thailand, MSG = phong churot
In Germany, MSG = Natriumglutaminat
In Europe - MSG = E621, but avoid E620-625 as they also contain glutamate
- The following foods contain MSG or its business end - the free amino acid glutamate - in amounts large enough to cause reactions in those sensitive to it.:
The Following McDonald's Items:
Grilled Chicken Filet
Hot and Spicy Chicken Patty
Grilled Chicken Ceasar Salad
Grilled Chicken California Cobb Salad
Seasoned Beef
Sausage Scrambled Egg Mix, Sausage, and Sausage Patty
French Fries - a "seasoning" made from beef, wheat and milk, processed to break down the proteins into free amino acids like glutamate) is added to the oil the fries are precooked in. US laws allow "natural flavoring" to consist of "protein hydrolysates" containing free glutamic acid. (That's why they do it - to free glutamate to act like MSG so they can declare a "clean label" while misleading the consumer.)
Other menu items that contain soy sauce, natural flavors or hydrolyzed protein which can contain up to 20% free glutamic acid - the active part of MSG.
Hamburger Helper Microwave Singles® (targeted towards children)
Doritos®
Pringles® (the flavored varieties)
KFC® fried chicken and most of their other products
Boar's Head® cold cuts and most of their hotdogs
Progresso® Soups - all of them
Lipton® Noodles and Sauce
Lipton® Instant soup mix
Unilever or Knorr® products
Kraft® products nearly all contain some free glutamate
Gravy Master®
Cup-a-soup® or Cup-o-Noodles®
Planters® salted nuts - most of them
Accent® -this is nearly pure MSG
Braggs® Liquid Aminos - sold at Whole Foods
Tangle extract (seaweed extract) - found in sushi rolls (even at Whole Foods) Seaweed is what MSG was first isolated from.
Fish extract - made from decomposed fish protein - used now in Japanese sushi dishes - very high in free glutamate.
sausages - most supermarkets add MSG to theirs
processed cheese spread
Marmite®
supermarket poultry or turkeys that are injected or "self-basting"
restaurant gravy from food service cans
flavored ramen noodles
boullion - any kind
instant soup mixes
many salad dressings
most salty, powdered dry food mixes - read labels
flavored potato chips
restaurant soups made from food service soup base or with added MSG
monopotassium glutamate
glutamic acid
gelatin
hydrolyzed vegetable protein (found in many processed AMERICAN foods, like canned tuna and even hot dogs)
hydrolyzed plant protein (found in many processed AMERICAN foods, like canned tuna and even hot dogs)
autolyzed yeast (found in many processed AMERICAN foods, read labels)
sodium caseinate
textured protein
beet juice - it is used as a coloring, but MSG is manufactured from beets and the extract may contain free glutamic acid - Yo Baby - organic baby yogurt has just changed the formula to include beet extract
yeast extract
yeast food or nutrient
soy protein isolate
soy sauce
Worcestershire sauce
Kombu extract
dry milk and whey powder
"natural flavors" - may contain up to 20% MSG
carageenan
dough conditioners
malted barley
malted barley flour - found in many supermarket breads and all-purpose flours including: King Arthur, Heckers, and Gold Medal flour
body builder drink powders containing protein
Parmesan cheese - naturally high in free glutamate
over-ripe tomatoes - naturally high in free glutamate
mushrooms - naturally high in free glutamate
Medications in gelcaps - contain free glutamic acid in the gelatin
Cosmetics and shampoos - some now contain glutamic acid
Fresh produce sprayed with Auxigro in the field. (Yes the EPA approved this. It appalled us too.)
orhidee spune:
Hai sa va dau si link-ul unde am citit eu prima data si m-am ingrozit!!!
http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm
Orhidee
Gabbriela spune:
Eu am facut toate demersurile singura, mi-am completat harti si am trimis prin posta normal ala ei. Acuma sunt in faza de asteptat invitatia la interviu, a mers relativ repede la mine.
Si ceva despre MSG:
www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm" target="_blank">MSG - Slowly Poisoning America
Monsodium Glutamate (MSG) - Pros and Cons
www.newstarget.com/009379.html" target="_blank">The link between monosodium glutamate (MSG) and obesity
Nicole mami lui www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/julianleonardo/" target="_blank">Julian
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6I am not a vegetarian because I love Animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
Gabbriela spune:
quote:
Originally posted by orhidee
Hai sa va dau si link-ul unde am citit eu prima data si m-am ingrozit!!!
http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm
Orhidee
am postat acelas link, si eu tot acolo am citit si m-am ingrozit, dupaia am tot cercetat net-ul in lung si lat pt info. Nicole mami lui www.babiesonline.com/babies/j/julianleonardo/" target="_blank">Julian
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6I am not a vegetarian because I love Animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
orhidee spune:
da, asta era Gabbriela!
Deci ce sa mai, eu ma chinui de mult timp cu MSG-ul asta ca este ascuns sub multe forme acum si nu mai stii la ce sa fii atent.
michelle7 spune:
quote:
Originally posted by orhidee
Hai sa va dau si link-ul unde am citit eu prima data si m-am ingrozit!!!
http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm
Orhidee
la link-ul tau e autor necunoscut. nu zic ca nu trebuie sa fim precauti dar poate e bine sa ne luam dupa un site oficial ( si textele copiate de mine sunt tot din sursa - autor necunoscut)