Trebuie sa cred orice zice biserica?

Cat de invechite sunt conceptiile acestor oameni?
Oare de ce nu se rezuma la "masturbarea e un pacat pt ca asa zice biblia sau sfanta scriptura sau mai stiu eu cine"?
De ce trebuie sa se abereze in explicatii pseudomedicale n-am sa pricep

http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/trupul/masturbarea.shtml



Ina

ruxij spune:

Ce te enervezi, pe mine m-au facut sa rad "explicatiile" alea ridicole.

p.a.ade spune:

Nu stiu ce te-a facut sa fii asa nervoasa dar oricum in general biserica exagereaza si poate nu biserica cit babele sau conceptiile lor.Oricum este un subiect de discutat.

ina_nz spune:

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Originally posted by p.a.ade

Nu stiu ce te-a facut sa fii asa nervoasa dar oricum in general biserica exagereaza si poate nu biserica cit babele sau conceptiile lor.Oricum este un subiect de discutat.

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aaaa......nu sunt nervoasa.....
Ma amuzam si imi faceam cruce in acelasi timp (asta ca sa fiu in ton cu subectu)
Si oricum acolo pe site nu au scris bablele

Ina

ina_nz spune:

si ca sa continuam discutia....ca de fapt e serioasa intrebarea mea "de ce nu se rezuma biserica doar la interpretarea bibliei si sa afirme ca da e un pacat" se avanta in tot felul de explicatii de te doare mintea
Citez din articolului Arhiepiscopului Hrisostom de Etna:
"Astazi doar cativa medici mai atribuie masturbarii efectele negative asupra trupului mentionate de Sfintii Parinti. Totusi, aceasta nu se face pe baza unei cercetari atente, ci din acceptarea unor teorii care predomina; la un moment dat. Observatiile Parintilor Bisericii au la baza datele culese de la mai multi medici crestini, care au urmarit cu atentie viata morala a pacientilor lor si efectele pe care aceasta le are asupra sanatatii. Astfel de lucruri nu se mai fac astazi. De aceea, observatiile pe baza carora Parintii si-au formulat concluziile sunt adesea puse sub semnul întrebarii, însa Sfintii Parintii s-au bazat pe date empirice, iar medicii moderni pe teorii neverificate. În plus, multi sprijina ceea ce Parintii si medicii crestini au crezut cu atâta putere în trecut."


tot articolul www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/trupul/masturbarea2.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/trupul/masturbarea2.shtml

Ina

p.a.ade spune:

Eu cred ca din dorinta imensa de a pune la zid chestiile de genul asta si probabil stiind ca multi din tinerii din ziua de azi nu mai cred in felul preotilor de a rastalmacii biblia incearca sa-i sperie cu aberatii medicale care cred ca nici ei nu prea sunt convinsi ca-s adevarate.Este o greseala imensa,nu fac decit sa stirneasca risul sau cel mult sa enerveze pe cineva care are mai multa pregatire medicala si este obiectiv.

ladyJ spune:

Religiilor in general, le lipseste up-grade-ul

Mai e putin si doctrinele astea vor deveni de-a dreptul comice,desene animate.De ce nu s-a ramas frumusel la cele 10 porunci,nu stiu.Legile bisericii le depaseste cu mult pe cele date de Dumnezeu.

Si pacatul masturbarii este...mititel.Sunt unele si mai si...ti se face parul maciuca.De parca DD ne-a inchis intr-un tarc si ne ameninta cu ciocanul in cap(bland fiind spus) daca incercam sa sarim gardul.

kariguld spune:

vb lui lady, un pacat mititel e analizat si condamnat, mama mama, pe cand altele mult mai mari si grave sunt inghitite.
astia fac precum spunea Isus de farisei:"....inghititi camila.....", nu-mi aduc aminte textul!
sper sa nu primesc un trasnet in cap de la DD pentru asta!

kari

dana_e spune:

si astea inca sint doar comice...

tocmai am dat de o colectie de citate din Coran si alte scrieri islamice, presarate printre relatari despre fanatici ucigasi:

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islam_in_Action_Muslim_Burns_and_Murders_Girlfriends_Family.Islam
sau
http://prophetofdoom.net/Islam_in_Action_Paul_Johnson.Islam

tare as vrea ca cineva care cunoaste religia islamica si scrierile ei sa-mi spuna ca NU e adevarat. ca citatele sint aberatia unei minti bolnave MODERNE, nu aberatia unui terorist de acum sute de ani, care a pus bazele unei religii teroriste...

tare as vrea ca citatele sa nu fie reale. tare as vrea sa cred ca perversiunea asta nu exista.

va rog, poate cineva sa-mi spuna adevarul? nu incerc decit sa ies din cosmar dupa ce-am citit. nu sint nici macar crestina practicanta, nu incerc sa demonstrez nimic, vreau doar sa cred ca mai e o speranta pentru lumea asta. daca Islamul are in ESENTA sa asemenea indemnuri si pilde, ne asteapta un viitor sumbru...

ache spune:

dana e, am incercat sa accesez link-urile date de tine, dar nu se deschid, e "site blocked" aici...deci nu pot decat sa banuiesc ca ele contravin conceptelor islamice,altfel de ce ar fi blocate? poti scrie despre ce e vorba?

anca
35+ bb Adam

ladyJ spune:

Ache,am copiat o parte din text pentru tine.Stiu ca sunt off topic,dar pe undeva are legatura cu dogmele religioase.


Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'", Qur'an 9:3 "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.", Qur'an 66:2 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.", Bukhari:V4B52N268 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.'", Ishaq:519 "Having got Muhammad's permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.' The Apostle said, ‘Tell them.'", Ishaq:323 "I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them.", Ishaq:442 "By Muhammad's order we beguiled them.".

His lack of interest in brazenly taking credit for his deeds is interesting. It shows the influence that living in the United States has had on Iftekhar. Muslims in Islamic countries have little to live for and know that the Sharia (Islamic) Law upon which their society is run, by definition supports all Islam-sanctioned events like killing infidels and dealing with unruly women. This is because Islam not only condones these and other immoral actions, but Allah insists upon them:

Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.", Bukhari:V1B1N6 "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.", Ishaq: 676 "‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?' Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?' Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.' Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?' ‘No,' the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'", Tabari IX:76 "Malik has reported to me that you were the first from Himyar to embrace Islam and that you have killed infidels, so rejoice at your good fortune."



"The Apostle said, 'Get him away from me and cut off his tongue.'" , Ishaq:312 "Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl's two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.'" , Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes." , Tabari VII:133 / Ishaq:387 "When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, ‘If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!' When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, ‘By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody." , Bukhari:V4B52N44 "A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, ‘Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad in reward.' He replied, ‘I do not find such a deed.'" , Muslim:C40B20N4676 "Jihad Is Compulsory." , Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote: "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah's Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped), and Islam is propagated. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."