Ce spune Quran'ul despre Iisus as si profeti as?
Raspunsuri - Pagina 4
mav spune:
Anghel, am urmarit discutia despre Biblie.... si n-am simtit nevoia "sa ma bag in seama" (am preot in familia extinsa si cred ca zicala : Sa faci ce-ti spune popa, nu ce face popa! este tare realista, din pacate)! Nu fac "misto" de nimeni! Ba chiar mi-am introdus si semnatura, ca sa nu mai simti nevoia sa-mi pui nick-ul intre ghilimele. Nu-i nevoie nici de "dvs"... Probabil ca-s mult mai tanara....
Eu vorbeam la plural... si asteptam un raspuns de la cine se pricepe... (mai mult decat ma pricep eu).
Nu vreau sa deviez subiectul. Dimpotriva, chiar vreau sa aflu ce spune Quran'ul despre Iisus (as) si profeti (as)!!!!
Nu cred ca Aynur a deschis topicul doar ca sa postam cat de extaziati suntem sau nu despre anumite scrieri (fara suparare)!
Deci, astept exemple!
Vic & 
Sebi (04.02.2004)
mav spune:
Anghel, te rog frumos sa nu ma iei peste picior! Eu n-am facut nicio aluzie la capacitatile tale intelectuale sau ale altcuiva, ok?
Daca esti in stare sa zici ceva constructiv, la acest subiect, spune si pt altii mai putin cunoscatori.... ca mine....
Scuze pt off-topic!
Vic & Sebi (04.02.2004)
conchita spune:
quote:
Originally posted by anghel1111
Ce ar putea sa va spuna interesant un om care toata viata a cercetat Biblia si acum cind pentru peima oara citeste scrierile Qur`anului este extaziat de claritatea si frumusetea lor?Imi pare nespus de rau ca nu am facut acest lucru mai de mult .Nu ar mai fi fost nevoie sa umblu ,,lelea"pe cai neumblate, in dorinta de a afla raspunsuri la nelamuririle rezultate din cercetarea Bibliei si care se aflau atit de clar prezentate in Qur`an. Dar cum tot raul spre bine poate ca acesasta ma ajuta acum sa inteleg mai usor aceste scrieri din Qur`an.Inshaa-Allah .
anghel
pentru ca anghel111 face marturisiri off topic aici, o sa imi permit acelasi lucru, ca reactie, acceptand sa fiu numita chiar si mama omida, pentru clarviziunea unui eveniment, iata, deja intamplat in randurile de mai sus.
unde sunt beretele roz care m-au ushuit de la Istoria Biblica atunci cand am prezis ca avem de-a face cu cineva care a venit printre crestini sa ii "invete" dupa o hidden agenda anti-semita si anti-crestina in fapt, si ca totul e o minciuna sfruntata care se va termina cu o convertire on line la islam? de fapt, stati acolo unde sunteti si nu-mi raspundeti, ca nu mai am nik de demonstrat. q.e.d. nici pretentii la scuze nu am, asa ca nu va obositi nici cu astea.
multumesc, anghel111, pentru confirmarea previziunilor.
primeste ca dar pentru convertirea ta o sugestie dezinteresata: inceteaza, mai draga, sa-ti mai lauzi singur IQ-ul, caci asta dovedeste tocmai ca nu prea il ai. asta, btw de "In functie de capacitatile noastre intelectuale dezvoltate de-a lungul timpului, gasim sau nu ceea ce cautam". nu-mi raspunde, ca inchid si singura usa dupa mine.
hannen spune:
Draga Mev,am sa incerc sa postez citeva versete ,nu pot sa te las asa curioasa.
Allah I- a ales pe Adam, pe Noe, familia lui Ibrahim si familia lui Imran (3) peste toate lumile [din vremea lor].
34.Ca scoboratori unii din altii. Allah este Cel care Aude Totul si este Atoatestiutor(1).
35.[Adu-ti aminte] cind ia o pauzarea lui Imran a zis: Doamne, Iti juruiesc [numai] Tie ceea ce este in pantecul meu, devotat numai Tie! Primeste-l de la mine! Tu esti cel Care Aude Totul si Atoatestiutor!.
36.Si cind a nascut, a zis ea: Doamne, am zamislit o copila!, dar Allah stia bine ceea ce nascuse ea. Si un baiat nu este intocmai ca o copila(1) Eu I-am pus numele Maria si o incredintez pe ea si pe scoboratorii ei ocrotirii Tale, impotriva lui Seitan cel izgonit!.
37.Domnul ei a acceptat-o cu buna primire si a lasat-o sa creasca cu buna crestere si a incredintat-o lui Zaharia. Si de fiecare data cind intra Zaharia la ea in templu, gasea langa ea mancare. Si a intrebat-o el: O, Maria, de unde ai aceasta? Iar ea ii raspundea: Ea este de la Allah! Allah il hraneste pe cel pe care El voiste, fara socoteala!
Pina aici se vorbeste despre nasterea Mariei.
42[Adu-ti aminte] cInd ingerii au zis: O, Maria! Allah te-a ales si te-a facut curata. El te-a ales peste femeile lumilor!
43.O, Maria! Fii cu ascultare fata de Stapanul tau, prosterneaz-te si pleaca-te, rugandu-te impreuna cu cei ce se pleaca!
44.Acestea sunt dintre vestile necunoscutului pe care Noi ti le revelam. (1). Tu nu ai fost langa ei, cind ei au aruncat creioanele lor [pentru a hotari] care dintre ei s-o ocroteasca pe Maria si nu ai fost langa ei nici cind ei au avut discutia.(10
45.[Adu-ti aminte] cind ingerii au zis: O, Maria! Allah iti vesteste [un copil ce vine cu] un cuvant din partea Lui: numele lui va fi Al-Masih, Isa (1), fiul Mariei, maret in acesta lume ca si in lumea de Apoi si unul dintre cei mai apropiati [de Allah].
46.El le va vorbi oamenilor [inca] din leagan, la fel si cind va fi barbat intre doua varste (2), si va fi dintre cei evlaviosi.
47.Ea a zis: Doamne, cum sa am un copil fara sa ma fi atins un barbat? I-a raspunse El: Intocmai asa! Allah creaza ceea ce voieste El. cind El hotaraste un lucru, el spune doar fii si el este de indata!
48.Si El il va invata scriptura si intelepciunea, Tora si Evanghelia.
49.Si [el va fi] trimis la fiii lui Israel [si le va zice]: Eu vin la voi cu semn de la Domnul vostru! Eu plamadesc pentru voi din lut ca un chip de pasare si suflu asupra sa si se va face o pasasre vie, cu voia lui Allah. Si-I voi tamadui pe orb si pe lepros si-I voi invia pe morti, cu voia lui Allah. Eu va voi vesti ceea ce mancati si ceea ce pastrati in casele voastre. In aceasta este un semn pentru voi, daca voi sunteti credinciosi!
50.Eu intaresc ceea ce a fost revelat in Tora mai inainte de mine si va voi ingadui o parte din cele ce v-au fost oprite. Eu v-am adus semne de la Domnul vostru, deci fiti cu frica de Allah si dati-mi ascultare!
51.Allah este stapanul meu si stapanul vostru. Asadar, adorati-L pe El! Aceasta este o cale dreapta!
52.Apoi, cind Isus a simtit necredinta lor, le-a zis: Cine sunt sprijinitorii mei [in chemarea] la Allah? Apostolii au raspuns: Noi suntem sprijinitorii [religiei] lui Allah! Noi credem in Allah si fa marturie ca noi [lui Allah] Ii suntem supusi!
53.Doamne! Noi credem in ceea ce Tu ai pogorat si-l urmam pe Trimis, deci scrie-ne pe noi printre cei care fac marturie.(1)
54. Si ei au viclenit (1), dar Allah a fcut ca planurile lor sa nu izbuteasca, fiindca Allah este cel mai bun dintre planuitori!
55.[Adu-ti aminte] cnd Allah a zis: O, Isus! Eu iti voi da o rasplata imbelsugata, te voi inalta la Mine, te voi mantui de cei care nu cred (2) si ii voi pune pe cei care te-au urmat (3) peste cei care nu cred pana in ziua Invierii. Apoi la Mine va fi intoarecerea voastra si Eu voi judeca asupra celor in care voi nu va intelegeti.
59.Inaintea lui Allah, Isus este asemenea lui Adam, pe care El l-a facut din lut si apoi I-a zis lui Fii si el a fost.
60.Adevarul vine de la Domnul tau si nu va fi dintre aceia care se indoiesc!
62.Aceasta este povestea cea adevarata si nu este Dumnezeu afara de Allah, iar Allah este Puterinic, Intelept. (1)
63.Iar daca ei intorc spatele, Allah ii stie pe cei care seamana stricare!
64.Spune: O, voi oameni ai Cartii, veniti la un cuvant comun intre noi si voi: sa nu credem decat in Allah, sa nu punem nimic in rand cu El si sa nu ne luam unii pe altii drept dumnezei, in afara lui Allah. Apoi daca ei vor intoarce spatele, spuneti-le: Marturisiti cel putin ca noi suntem supusi [musulmani]!
Deocamdata atit,deja am scris prea mult.Nu vreau sa obosesc cu mesaje kilometrice.
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EL v-a orinduit voua religia pe care i-a prescris-o lui Noe,pe care ti-am revelat-o tie si am prescris-o pentru Avraam,Moise si Iisus:"Intemeiati religia si nu despartiti intru ea!"Li se pare prea mare politeistilor aceea la care tu ii chemi.Allah ii alege (pt. aceasta)pe aceea pe care EL voieste si ii calauzeste catre EL pe aceia care se caiesc.
(Coran 42:13)
hannen spune:
Imi pare rau ca apar asa multe caractere chinezesti,asa patesc mereu la copy/paste.
Acum am copiat din computer pt. ca il am si in versiunea electronica.
Sper ca se intelege.Literele care nu le citeste am observat ca sunt a de la cand, o ,e cind apare in text eu si citeodata d ,la cuv. Doamne.
Inca o data scuze!
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EL v-a orinduit voua religia pe care i-a prescris-o lui Noe,pe care ti-am revelat-o tie si am prescris-o pentru Avraam,Moise si Iisus:"Intemeiati religia si nu despartiti intru ea!"Li se pare prea mare politeistilor aceea la care tu ii chemi.Allah ii alege (pt. aceasta)pe aceea pe care EL voieste si ii calauzeste catre EL pe aceia care se caiesc.
(Coran 42:13)
conchita spune:
Hannen, hi, ce mai faci? tii ierea door di mini? le-ai aratat suratelor tale surele extrase din Coran care indeamna atat de "dulce" la "dragoste" tipic islamica la adresa evreilor si crestinilor sau cele care neaga existenta Sfintei Treimi si care spun ca noi, crestinii, nu avem acelasi Dumnezeu cu al vostru si, prin urmare, ar trebui sa ni se jupoaie pielea ca pedeapsa? ca daca le-ai citit si totusi continui sa spui ca Islam e religia pacii si ca nu gasesti nicaieri in Coran indemnuri la cruzime si razboi impotriva crestinilor, sau ca in Coran se vorbeste nespus de frumos despre Iisus si crestinism, atunci nush ce sa mai cred nici despre buna ta credinta, nici despre a celorlalti. pentru ca accesul la Coran, cum ti-am mai spus, e liber si neingradit si poate verifica oricine. probabil ai pierdut surele, stai ca vi le mai arat o data, poate Iman sau Aynur vor dori sa le explice (am pastrat pozele de colorat numai pentru mine, la sugestia lui Hannnen ):
Surah 5:73, Their touting is not true. The God of the Bible is not Allah of the Koran. "They do blaspheme who say Allah is one of three. . .for there is no God except one Allah.
Surah 4:157, Muslims do not believe that Christ was crucified but that it just appeared that He died. "That they said (in boast) we killed Christ Isa, the son of Mary. . .they killed him not, nor crucified him.
"Allah has said: The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allahs curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth! " "They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary: Yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with him)." (Al-Taubah 9:30-31).
"In blasphemy indeed are they who say that Allah is the Christ, son of Mary." (Al-Maidah 5:17 and 72)
"They do blaspheme who say, God is one of three (in a Trinity)." (Al-Maidah 5:73)
"Those who reject (truth) among the People of the Book (Christians). . .will be in hell-fire to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures." (Al-Bayyinah 98:6).
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them. 4:84, Then fight in Allahs cause.
4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.
5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.
8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.
8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.
9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.
9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.
9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.
9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran
9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).
22:19-22, These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"
25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.
25:68, Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy.
37:22-23, "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!
47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
48:13, And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!
48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.
69:30-37, (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." 
hannen spune:
Conchita,te-am parasit si acum ma cauti?Cred ca tie iti era dor de mine.
Nu incerca sa ma provoci,incaleca tzestoasa si du-te,io nu te retzin!
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EL v-a orinduit voua religia pe care i-a prescris-o lui Noe,pe care ti-am revelat-o tie si am prescris-o pentru Avraam,Moise si Iisus:"Intemeiati religia si nu despartiti intru ea!"Li se pare prea mare politeistilor aceea la care tu ii chemi.Allah ii alege (pt. aceasta)pe aceea pe care EL voieste si ii calauzeste catre EL pe aceia care se caiesc.
(Coran 42:13)
conchita spune:
quote:
Originally posted by hannen
Conchita,te-am parasit si acum ma cauti?Cred ca tie iti era dor de mine.
Nu incerca sa ma provoci,incaleca tzestoasa si du-te,io nu te retzin!
Hannen, lasa-le pe fetele celelalte sa-mi explice cum vine treaba cu ce am subliniat/colorat, pricipit? tie ti-am oferit deja o sansa sa raspunzi si ai irosit-o. daca ai iarasi chef de atacuri la persoana si cearta, fa-o in oglinda. cu testoasa, am facut pe valetul doar, vezi ca ti-am parcat-o in zona off topic, exact acolo unde esti si tu, sa-ti fie accesul mai usor.
roxana1974 spune:
quote:
Originally posted by hannen
Conchita,te-am parasit si acum ma cauti?Cred ca tie iti era dor de mine.
Nu incerca sa ma provoci,incaleca tzestoasa si du-te,io nu te retzin!
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EL v-a orinduit voua religia pe care i-a prescris-o lui Noe,pe care ti-am revelat-o tie si am prescris-o pentru Avraam,Moise si Iisus:"Intemeiati religia si nu despartiti intru ea!"Li se pare prea mare politeistilor aceea la care tu ii chemi.Allah ii alege (pt. aceasta)pe aceea pe care EL voieste si ii calauzeste catre EL pe aceia care se caiesc.
(Coran 42:13)
hannen, io vreau sa te vad cum combati citatele alea negru pe alb din Coran, ma rog rosu, verde si albastru, ca asa a vrut conchita sa le dea... altceva....hm? ce zici?
Serbanica talharica
ce-si face omu' cu mana lui se numeste lukru' manual
...
hannen spune:
quote:
Originally posted by conchita
Hannen, hi, ce mai faci? tii ierea door di mini?
Surah 5:73, Their touting is not true. The God of the Bible is not Allah of the Koran. "They do blaspheme who say Allah is one of three. . .for there is no God except one Allah.
Surah 4:157, Muslims do not believe that Christ was crucified but that it just appeared that He died. "That they said (in boast) we killed Christ Isa, the son of MaryE . .they killed him not, nor crucified him.
"Allah has said: The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allahs curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth! " "They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary: Yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the partners they associate (with him)." (Al-Taubah 9:30-31).
"In blasphemy indeed are they who say that Allah is the Christ, son of Mary." (Al-Maidah 5:17 and 72)
"They do blaspheme who say, God is one of three (in a Trinity)." (Al-Maidah 5:73)
"Those who reject (truth) among the People of the Book (Christians). . .will be in hell-fire to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures." (Al-Bayyinah 98:6).
2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them. 4:84, Then fight in Allahs cause.
4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumph) over the believers.
5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter.
8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.
8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.
9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.
9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,
9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.
9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed.
9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran
9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).
22:19-22, These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"
25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.
25:68, Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy.
37:22-23, "Bring ye up", it shall be said, "The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!
47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
48:13, And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!
48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.
69:30-37, (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin."
Esti sigura ca asta vrei?
Okey
ia de colea!Ai adus versetul 73 din sura Al-M`aida (sura mesei,numita asa dupa masa ce a fost pogorita lui Isus din cer)
Am sa citez citeva versete ,nu asa extrageri din cotext care lasa loc de interpretari...deshetepte rau.
Surat Al-M`aida
72.Necredinciosii sunt aceia care spun :"Dumnezeu e
Mesia ,fiul Mariei!"Doar a zis Mesia:"O fii ai lui Israel
adorati-L pe Allah ,Domnul meu si Domnul vostru!"
Pe cel care aseaza linga Allah pe altcineva ,Allah
il va opri de la Rai,iar adapostul lui va fi Focul
si cei nelegiuiti nu vor afla ajutor.
73.Necredinciosi sunt aceia care spun:"Dumnezeu este al treilea
din trei",caci nu exista Dumnezeu in afara de[Allah] Cel Unic,
si de nu vor inceta sa vorbeasca astfel ii va atinge pe cei necredinciosi dintre ei pedeapsa dureroasa.
74.Si oare ,nu vin ei sa se caiasca la Allah si sa-I
ceara Lui iertare?Allah doara este Iertator si Indurator.
Deci citatul tau la ce se refera??La care din astea 3?
Ashea ,sa trecem la urmatorul example
Citezi din sura An-Nisa (sura femeilor)Surat An Nisa
156 Si din pricina necredintei lor si a clevetirol
grele pe seama Mariei(explicatiuni:evreii o considerau pe Maria o femeie usoara despre ei este vorba in cele doua versete)
157.Si din pricina vorbelor lor:"Noi L-am omorit pe Mesia Isus,Fiul Mariei,timisul lui Allah!"in vreme ce ei nu l-au omorit,
nici nu l-au rastignit pe cruce ,ci a fost facut (cineva) sa semene cu el.Cei care au avut pareri diferite in privinta lui (Isus),au fost in indoiala (in legatura cu moartea lui);ei nu au avut cunostinta sigura despre ea(moartea lui) ,ci doar au urmat unor presupuneri.
De buna seama nu l-au omorit ,
158. Ci Allah l-a inaltat la EL.Iar Allah este Puternic si Intelept.
Deci de unde citai tu?
Surat Al- Baqara
2:190 Luptati pe calea lui Allah impotriva acelora care se lupta cu voi,dar nu incepeti voi lupta,caci Allah nu-i iubeste pe cei vare incep lupte!"
191Omoriti-i unde-i prindeti si alungati-i de acolo de unde v-au alungat!Iar schisma e mai rea decit omorul.Dar nu luptati impotriva lor alaturi de Moscheea cea Sfinta,doar daca ei se lupta cu voi in ea.Iar daca lupta impotriva voastra,omorati-i,caci aceasta este pedeapsa celor fara de credinta!
Conchita,vezi ce inseamna sa scoti texte din context?
In aceste versete era vorba despre politeistii din Mecca care duceau lupte impotriva musulmanilor!
Imi scoti cite o fraza dintr-un verset si vrei sa-mi arati ca esti citita,nu pe bune nu te mai fa de ris.Este valabil Coranul tuturor,dar celor care pun mina sanatos pe el sa-l citeasca ,nu celor care citesc o fraza la 100 de pagini
Hai sa vedem ce ai citat din sura a 4,versetul 141;
Versetul suna asa:
141 Cei care va pandesc pe voi,atunci cind aveti parte de biruinta zic ei:"Oare nu am fost noi impreuna cu voi?",iar daca izbinda este de partea necredinciosilor ,atunci zic ei:"Oare nu am fost noi mai tari decit voi si nu v-am aparat noi de credinciosi?"Insa Allah va judeca intre voi in Ziua Invierii si niciodata Allah nu le va face necredinciosilor o cale (pt. a izbindi)asupra credinciosilor!
Si aici este vb. despre luptele ce se duceau intre musulmani si idolatrii din Mecca.
Tu ai citat doar ultima fraza,mai ,mai ce bine informata si intentionata esti
Mai departe:5-33
Iara rasplataacelora care lupta impotriva lui Allah si a Trimisului Sau si cauta sa semene pe pamint stricaciune este ca vor muri omoriti sau rastigniti pe cruce sau li se vor taia mainile si picioarele in crucis sau vor fi alungati din tara.Aceasta va fi pt. ei rusine in lumea de acum ,iar in Lumea de Apoi vor avea ei parte de pedeapsa nemasurata.
explicatiune:Allah a hotarit ca pedeapsa pt. aceia care vor purta razboi impotriva societatii islamice si-i vor aduce stricaciuni prin tilharirea si prin jefuirea caravanelor ,astfel;ucigasii vor fi ucisi,cei care ucid si jefuiesc averea vor fi ucisi sau rastigniti pe cruce,celor care jefuiesc averea cuiva le se vor taia mainile si picioarele opuse,cei care vor semana teroare fara a comite crime,vor fi expulzati. Priceput?Cui nu-i convine sa faca o plingere la Dumnezeu
Next 8:12
Aduceti-va aminte cind Domnul vostru le-a revelat ingerilor:"Eu sunt cu voi!Intariti-i asadar,pe cei care cred.Ei vor arunca spaima in inimile celor care nu cred!Loviti-i deci ,peste gituri si loviti-i peste toate virfurile degetelor!(aceasta porunca era adresata ingerilor
te oftici?hai nu plinge)8:60 Against them ,la care them crezi tu ca se refera ??Stii ceva,eu imi pierd vremea cu tine.Citeste daca vrei sa porti o discutie pe aceasta tema,daca nu ,nu te baga ca te faci de ris.
Cred ca am altceva mai bun de facut decit sa-ti raspund tie .
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EL v-a orinduit voua religia pe care i-a prescris-o lui Noe,pe care ti-am revelat-o tie si am prescris-o pentru Avraam,Moise si Iisus:"Intemeiati religia si nu despartiti intru ea!"Li se pare prea mare politeistilor aceea la care tu ii chemi.Allah ii alege (pt. aceasta)pe aceea pe care EL voieste si ii calauzeste catre EL pe aceia care se caiesc.
(Coran 42:13)