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almo spune:
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| citat din mesajul lui patou referitor la afirmatia "copiii se concep in eprubeta" Oamenii de stiinta i-au spus lui Dumnezeu "Nu mai avem nevoie de tine, suntem capabili sa cream singuri viata pornind de la cateva fire de nisip" Dumnezeu a zambit si le-a sps: ok ramane sa va creati singuri nisipul. www.pasipecaleacredintei.wordpress.com" target="_blank">pe cont propriu |
asta cand s-a intamplat? cand i-au spus oamenii de stiinta asta lui D-zeu? mai de curand sau acum cateva mii de ani?
patou spune:
almo, era doar o gluma 
almo spune:
o,ok, nu m-am prins.
patou spune:
am citit si eu intr-un sfarsit intrebarea initiala a subiectului
eu nu mi-as incredinta nimanui copilul pentru ca stiu ca nu mi se va intampla nimic (si nici sotului) in intervalul de timp in care copilul nostru va avea nevoie de noi (inainte de a fi independent)
Stiu ca Dumnezeu ma iubeste ... ma simt pur si simplu protejata si nu mi-e frica decat de mine, de faptul ca uneori nu sunt in stare sa ma ridic la standardele la care as vrea.
Stiu ca toate lucrurile lucreaza impreuna spre binele celor ce-L iubesc pe Dumnezeu, si...
daca Domnul e cu noi cine poate sa ne stea impotriva?
greieras spune:
Sorry Almo, dar nu se pune. Trebuie sa se maturizeze pana la cele 40 de sapt(sau ma rog, mai putin de 40) tot in eprubeta.
ch_dana spune:
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| eu nu mi-as incredinta nimanui copilul pentru ca stiu ca nu mi se va intampla nimic (si nici sotului) [...]Stiu ca Dumnezeu ma iubeste ... ma simt pur si simplu protejata[...] |
Patou, ce bine ar fi sa fie asa simplu...sa deduc din afirmatia ta ca pe mine, un copil de 5 ani, nu m-a iubit Dumnezeu atunci cand mi-a luat tatal ? A murit la 38 de ani din prostia unor medici...daca Dumnezeu ar fi bun si drept 100%, nu cred ca ar permite sa se intample astfel de lucruri. De fapt asta e problema mea,
de ce lasa sa se intample chestii d-astea, care sfideaza logica. Nu ma intreb "de ce eu", ma intreb pur si simplu "de ce". Am invatat ca nimic nu e garantat pe lumea asta in afara de moarte, iar ea vine cand nu te astepti.
CorinaDani spune:
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| citat din mesajul lui Katya CorinaDani, am citit din urma si ai dreptate, nu e grav ce-ai zis, de altfel in prima faza ti-am si raspuns, m-am inselat si-ti cer scuze, sper sa le accepti. La fel A-alintei si celorlalti participanti, imi cer scuze pt intrerupere. |
Katya, este in regula, mi-a trecut "supararea". Eram chiar nedumerita ce anume te-a suparat atat de tare din intrebarile mele, credeam ca nu am scris eu suficient de clar, ca se putea interpreta exact pe dos ceea ce am vrut sa intreb - si nu asta a fost intentia mea, te asigur.
ch_dana spune:
Eh, uite c-am gasit pe FB o explicatie, cam lunga dar interesanta
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| Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ? Student : Yes, sir. Professor: So, you believe in GOD ? Student : Absolutely, sir. Professor : Is GOD good ? Student : Sure. Professor: Is GOD all powerful ? Student : Yes. Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm? (Student was silent.) Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good? Student : Yes. Professor: Is satan good ? Student : No. Professor: Where does satan come from ? Student : From … GOD … Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world? Student : Yes. Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct? Student : Yes. Professor: So who created evil ? (Student did not answer.) Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they? Student : Yes, sir. Professor: So, who created them ? (Student had no answer.) Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD? Student : No, sir. Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD? Student : No , sir. Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter? Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t. Professor: Yet you still believe in Him? Student : Yes. Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son? Student : Nothing. I only have my faith. Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has. Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat? Professor: Yes. Student : And is there such a thing as cold? Professor: Yes. Student : No, sir. There isn’t. (The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.) Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.) Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness? Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness? Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you? Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ? Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed. Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how? Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach our students that they evolved from a monkey? Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do. Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.) Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class was in uproar.) Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain? (The class broke out into laughter. ) Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.) Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son. Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving. |
O singura observatie: chiar daca nu se constata cu cele cinci simturi, creierul e observabil totusi cu un alt instrument - RMN-ul. Deci logica studentului nu e chiar completa
Katya spune:
Corina, mersi. La sb din astea de credinta eu ma simt f incordata, am impresia ca merg ca pe oua, pt ca dupa ce ca credinta in sine e ceva nedemonstrabil, nepalpabil, am impresia ca se face si "profilul credinciosului"- care de cele mai multe ori pare un ciudat.
Iar eu nu stiu de ce ai zice ca mi-am facut un tel
din a infatisa credinta ca pe ceva firesc si la indemina oricui, iar pe credincios ca pe un om ca toti oamenii.
In afara de asta, nu ma simt confortabila sa vb despre viata mea privata, intru pe forum strict pt a discuta despre ceva, habar n-am nici de ceilalti care e viata lor (ca sa nu mai zic ca intrebarea ta mi-a amintit de maica-mea care, cind ne vedea cu o carte-n mina, ne striga : puturoaselor, puneti mina pe treaba, toata ziua cititi romane).
Cam asta, scuze inca o data.
CorinaDani spune:
Katya, este in regula , imi cer si eu scuze daca am fost un pic rautacioasa in raspunsul acela.