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delsim spune:
Si uite ca am trait sa vedem ca ni s-a indeplinit visul de veacuri al femeilor: sa nasca si barbatii!
Numai ca, din pacate asa cum sugera conchita , li s-ar face cezariana si tot nu ar trece prin chinurile facerii! Too bad.


cataghe spune:
"IVF techniques were used to induce an ectopic pregnancy by implanting an embryo and placenta into the abdominal cavity, just under or into the peritoneum (the surrounding lining). There is a severe risk of massive hemorrhage when the ectopic ruptures; this is also the most common cause of women dying in pregnancy."
De unde ati scos, fratilor, asta cu implantarea in cavitatea toracica?!...
Bon, sa va spun ceva: habar nu am cit este adevar din toata povestea asta, dar am "cercetat" si eu site-ul ala, si nu mi se pare cu nimic deosebit de alte site-uri de spitale din SUA... cu mica rezerva ca eu una nu am gasit nicaieri scris unde se afla, dar ce-i drept nici nu m-am zdrobit prea tare sa caut.
In alta ordine de idei, sunt citate in literatura de specialitate cazuri de sarcina abdominala dusa la termen. De catre femei, bineinteles, dar...
Ceea ce se intimpla este ca se implanteaza sarcina de regula in peritoneu, care este foita ce tapeteaza toate organele din abdomen. Placenta va fi inserata pe aceasta structura. Deci, faptul ca uterul nu este esential este demonstrat prin cazuri reale, orice s-ar zice.
Problema este cum au reusit sa sustina hormonal sarcina pina cind placenta a inceput sa secrete singura hormoni (asta se intimpla pe la sfirsitul primului trimestru de sarcina), dar oricum, ceea ce zic ei acolo despre hormonii administrati ar putea fi adevarat...
Ce sa zic, daca domnul Lee asta va naste, vom auzi cu siguranta la stiri!
Numai bine,
Catalina.
This is the first day of the rest of my life!


ralucami spune:
quote:Papa m-ai ucis lent cu faza asta!!!
Originally posted by papadie
Bey cre ca voi nu vedeti adevarata problema...Daca se apuca si barbatii chinezi sa nasca am imbulinat-o. Se tripleza populatia dintr-un fok
"În afara de constiinta totul e bestialitate" (Camil Petrescu)





Hai noroc si sanatate- ca-i mai buna decat toate!


alex-n spune:
quote:
Originally posted by conchita
imi explica si mie cineva de meserie cum poate supravietui o sarcina ectopica ashea in general? bebe lui mr.lee pluteste pur si simplu in abdomnen in punga placentei sau cum?
Cea mai frecventa sarcina ectopica este cea tubara. In mod normal, evolutia este spre ruperea trompei cu hemoragia aferenta (deci sarcina ectopica nu are nici o sansa sa fie dusa la termen si nici macar sa ajunga la 5 luni).
Daca sarcina este abdominala, exista posibilitatea (teoretica) ca sarcina sa evolueze spre 5 luni. Dar aceasta situatie este extrem de rara (ca un leu albastru - vorba unui prof de-al meu). In acest caz, se formeaza cavitatea amniotica si de asemenea, si o placenta, care este ineficienta. Placenta se insera pe unde apuca : intestine sau vase mare (orice, numai sa contina sange). Cresterea fatului are loc (mama- sau tatal :-) poate sa simta miscarile fatului insotite de dureri abdominale atroce) in abdomen, dar in cele din urma se produce decesul datorita insuficientei placentare.
Povestea cu cordonul ombilical mi se pare o poveste de adormit copiii. Problema intr-o astfel de situatie nu o reprezinta cordonul ombilical, ci PLACENTA care se insera cum si unde vrea ea si nu isi indeplineste functia cum trebuie. E greu de crezut ca s-a realizat dezvoltarea controlata a placentei.
Apoi, administrarea de hormoni pt "pregatirea organismului pt sarcina" este o barbiereala de prima clasa. Ce sa pregateasca la un barbat ? Poate cel mult sa-l feminizeze!
Citind pe site-ul www.malepregnancy.com am ajuns la concluzia ca nu este o noua procedura stiintifica prin care se incearca realizarea unei implantari de sarcina unui barbat, ci doar un experiment norocos ce putea avea drept subiect si o femeie. Deci, nimic spectaculos. Barbatul respectiv se poate considera un mare norocos daca va supravietui interventiei, deoarece riscurile sunt enorme. De asemenea, sunt foarte curios care va fi starea de sanatate a noului nascut.
Numai bine,
Alex


Andrada spune:
Claim: A man who has had an embryo implanted in his abdomen is engaged in the world's first human male pregnancy.
Status: False.
Origins: The possibility of a man's
becoming pregnant has been the subject of more than a few works of speculative fiction and comedy, and the topic was given some sober consideration in the media after the British weekly New Society ran an article discussing specifics of the procedure in 1986. It could be done, New Society reasoned, if an egg were fertilized in vitro and implanted in a man's abdominal cavity. The embryo would have to attach itself to a major organ, the man would have to undergo hormone injections, and the child would have to be delivered by caesarian section, but it was possible, they speculated. (The child would have to be male, though, or else the necessary hormone injections would effectively castrate the male host.)
The dangers of such a course of action are far too high for the idea to be taken as anything more than a bit of scientific "what if" entertainment, however. Although some women have successfully given birth to children conceived outside the womb, ectopic pregnancies are quite dangerous, and nearly all ectopic embryos are removed soon after diagnosis. For a man to attempt to carry a child to term in such a manner would be an unacceptably high risk (especially since the placenta would have to be left to decay inside the man's body after he gave "birth," as its removal would result in major haemorrhaging).
Now, fourteen years later, people have begun to wonder about the web site at http://malepregnancy.com, which purports to chronicle the efforts of one Lee Mingwei to carry off the "first human male pregnancy." The site hosts video clips of "Mr. Lee," an ultrasound video of his "baby," an "interview" in which he explains why he's doing this, a discussion of how male pregnancy is scientifically possible, and a chat room where visitors can discuss the "social implications" of male pregnancies.
Is this for real? No. It is, like its sister site at http://www.genochoice.com (where you can "Create your own genetically healthy child online!"), an exercise in speculative fantasy. Follow the links from the "Credits" section, and eventually you'll find a disclaimer which reads:
This site ("Site") was created to be an exploration of a very likely scenario that may one day result from new advances in biotechnology and infertility treatments. The Site itself does not provide actual commercial services, and the information contained on the Site is not represented as being factually accurate. This is a fictitious web site created by a single artist.
(You can also read profiles of Lee Mingwei and his collaborator, Virgil Wong, on the web.)
Perhaps some day these concepts might indeed become reality, but for now they exist only within the realm of fiction.
L’amore che move il sole e l’altre stelle. Dante
Iubirea misca soarele si celelate stele


cataghe spune:
Alex, uite aici niste "lei albastri", dar nu spre 5 luni, ci la termen sau aproape!
http://www.sums.ac.ir/~ijms/0012/motazedian0012.html
http://www.thefetus.net/page.php?id=1032
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12601846&dopt=Abstract
Am auzit si in clinica in care mi-am facut eu rezidentiatul despre un caz de sarcina abdominala dusa la termen, dar nu imi mai amintesc daca chiar in acea clinica sau unul dintre medici povestea ca a vazut cazul respectiv in alta clinica. Oricum, se intimpla in Romania. In cazul respectiv placenta a fost lasata pe loc.
Cit despre pregatirea hormonala, pina cind placenta intra in actiune, sarcina este sustinuta de corpul galben gestational, care nu face altceva decit sa secrete niste hormoni. Acestia sunt implicati in implantare, dezvoltarea placentei si dezvoltarea sarcinii pina cind placenta isi preia functiile. In cazul in speta s-ar pregati hormonal exact ceea ce se pregateste si in corpul unei femei cu sarcina abdominala, cazurile de sarcina abdominala tocmai asta demonstreaza, ca uterul nu este esential.
Ca este o sarcina cu risc crescut, catalogata la femeie in cadrul patologiei - de acord. Dar... veacul inainteaza!!!
Numai bine,
Catalina.
This is the first day of the rest of my life!


cataghe spune:
Eu n-am gasit "credits" asta, voi l-ati gasit?
This is the first day of the rest of my life!


Andrada spune:
http://www.genochoice.com/credits.shtml
Cata, spitalul respectiv nu exista! Iar site-ul este opera unui artist,
A
L’amore che move il sole e l’altre stelle. Dante
Iubirea misca soarele si celelate stele


cataghe spune:
Andrada, se prea poate, probabil ca din cauza asta nu are o adresa, cum spuneam in primul meu mesaj.
Ceea ce am vrut insa sa spun cu mesajul meu anterior e ca sunt multe lucruri despre care multi dintre noi nu stim... si ca probabil ca argumentele pentru care "nu se poate" sunt altele decit unele din cele prezentate aici.
Numai bine,
Catalina.
This is the first day of the rest of my life!

