Eu nu imi vaccinez fata anti HPV!

Oana-Laura spune:

Psico Mom - am senzatia ca vrei sa duci directia in alta directie. Alo, eu nu spun ca nu exista boli sau tragedii. Dar - felul in care acest vaccin, netestat este bagat pe gat unor fetite de 12 ani suna mai degraba a experiment nazist.

Da, in medicina este nevoie de testare, uneori de generatii de sacrificiu. Iar pe sacrificiul oamenilor, companiile farmeceutice isi cresc cota la bursa. Despre asta e vorba - nu lasa sa creada lumea ca tu ma iluminezi despre virusi si boli, ca nici eu nu sunt de 3 zile si am si ceva cunostinte medicale cu care insa nu ma bat in piept.

XIO spune:

Din acelasi motiv din care te uiti la filme dar nu imiti ce fac aia.
Daca tie ti se pare normal sa pui in pericol sanatatea ta si a copilului tau doar din cauza unei idei cum ca toti oamenii in afara de noi , astia de pe forum , sunt corupti si vor sa manipuleze e trist , sincer.
Atunci nu ar trebui sa ma mir ca sunt oameni care vin la urgente dupa ce au stat cu mana rupta 2 saptamani sau cu umarul luxat , ca vin cu ditamai abcese anale care supureaza la greu dupa ce vecinu' a zis ca nu tre' sa ia pastile, mai bine sa-si puna niste varza samd.

Si nici nu ar trebui sa ma mir de ce un pacient ieri a refuzat o interventie minora, endoscopica , cu toate ca i s-a explicat ca daca nu i se face poate sa moara . Sau ca a venit o femeie care trebuia operata de urgenta si a spus ca nu poate sta atunci si ca vine a doua zi . Desi i-a spus chirurgul ca pana maine poate sa moara.
Nici de un pacient care a venit cu un hematom subdural si care privea calm stupefactia doctorului cand i se explica frumos ca ce are el este o urgenta si timpul maxim pana la operatie este de 8 sau 12 ore. La 6 dupa amiaza el a spus ca nu poate sta pt. ca are ceva de facut si vine a doua zi la operatie. Nu conteaza ca panaa doua zi moare , conteaza ca are o treaba.
daca stau sa coreleze ideile de aici cu conspiratia si ideile cu "spaga", tind sa cred, de fapt sa ma hazardez sa cred , ca acesti oameni nu au ramas de teama ca deh ... medicul vrea bani.
Si ne-a Lica i-a zis ca nu are nimic pen' ca si pe el l-a durut putin acolo , a bazut un ceai de menta si i-a trecut.

Sa nu se inteleaga gresit , nu spun sa-si faca cineva vaccinul , spun doar ca inainte sa risti sanatatea si viata cuiva (incluziv proprie) , sa asculti oamenii din domeniu, si doar in proportie mica parerile celorlaltor persoane care au fost in situatii similare.
Ca pacienta pe care am consultat-o ieri probabil a fost instruita bine de prieteni , vecini , amici si prieteni de pe forum sa bage repede banu' ca sa nu fie omorata sau mai stiu eu ce in spital.
Era o doamna superdraguta, chiar m-a impresionat ca avea o prestanta anume. Ii era foarte rau , abia vorbea , statea cu ochii inchisi , dar la sf. tot a incercat sa-mi dea cu ultimele puteri vreo 20 de lei sau cati erau. De ce ?
Mass media , vecini , prieteni , internet si restul locurilor de unde afli cum in spitale mori daca nu dai bani .
Trist


Sincer , nu costa nimic sa intrebi doctorii. Si daca dati peste idioti care nu stiu sa discute sau peste oameni ocupati care nu au timp sau nu au calificarea necesara intrebati macar medicul de familie. intrati pe mai multe siteuri de specialitate si informati-va.
Nu mai faceti lucruri doar pt. ca auziti de la mama vecinei prietenului bunicii lu' Sanda , educatoarea de peste drum.


"Mult mai grava ar fi etichetarea nedreapta a unei persoane pe care nu o cunosc deloc "

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XIO spune:

Orice medicament care intra pe piata este testat.
Nu mai spune asa ceva.

"Mult mai grava ar fi etichetarea nedreapta a unei persoane pe care nu o cunosc deloc "

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Oana-Laura spune:

XIO, apropo - pe cine este testat?

psichoMom spune:

Doamne, Oana!!! Cine ti-a spus tie ca nu e testat? Wow, stiu, m-am prins! Internetul! Sau presa? Hm... iar ajungem la problema cu sursa informatiei...

OK... am vut sa scriu mult mai multe dar chiar nu vreau sa imi mai risipesc energia ca sa iti explic niste lucruri pe care oricum nu le vei lua in seama sau mai rau le vei considera rau-voitoare...
A zis Xio destule si mult mai avizate...

Oana-Laura spune:

Vaccine Studies: Under the Influence of Pharma
Posted by: Dr. Mercola
March 05 2009 | 29,246 views


By Barbara Loe Fisher

If you take more than a casual look at the way the mass vaccination system in the U.S. works, you see that pharmaceutical companies marketing vaccines have a lot of clout.

It was the pharmaceutical industry that told Congress in 1982 that they were going to leave the nation without vaccines if they didn't get liability protection but have opposed making it less difficult for vaccine victims to obtain federal compensation in the U.S. Court of Claims under a 1986 law that gave them liability protection.

It is Pharma lobbyists, who bully the FDA into fast tracking vaccines like Gardasil and who sit at the CDC's policymaking tables urging that new vaccines be recommended for use by all children so they can persuade state legislators to mandate vaccines like influenza vaccine.

How Big Pharma Influences Medical Journals

A recent study published in the British Medical Journal reveals the clout that Big Pharma has in the world of medicine journal publishing, specifically the publishing of scientific articles about vaccines. In a Cochrane Collaboration review and analysis of published influenza vaccine studies found that influenza vaccine studies sponsored by industry are treated more favorably by medical journals even when the studies are of poor quality.

This analysis confirms that drug companies marketing vaccines have a major influence on what gets published and is said about vaccines in medical journals. It is no wonder that there are almost no studies published in the medical literature that call into question vaccine safety.

The preferential treatment of Pharma-funded studies also explains why the risks of an inappropriately fast-tracked vaccine like Gardasil are underplayed in the medical literature and why a physician like Andrew Wakefield, M.D. who dared to publish a study in 1998 in a medical journal (The Lancet) calling for more scientific investigation into the possible link between MMR vaccine and regressive autism, has been mercilessly persecuted for more than a decade, by both Pharma-funded special interest groups, as well as public health officials maintaining close relationships with vaccine manufacturers.

Study Finds No Correlation Between Quality of Study and Publication

This recent review identified and assessed 274 published studies on influenza vaccines for their methodological quality and found no relationship between study quality, publication in prestige journals or their subsequent citation in other articles.

The researchers also found that most influenza vaccine studies are of poor quality but those with conclusions favorable to influenza vaccinations are of significantly lower methodological quality. The single most important factor determining where the studies were published or how much they were cited was sponsorship, with those partially or wholly funded by the pharmaceutical industry having higher visibility.

The authors commented:

"The study shows that one of the levers for accessing prestige journals is the financial size of your sponsor. Pharma sponsors order many reprints of studies supporting their products, often with in house translations into many languages. They also purchase advertising space in the journal. Many publishers openly advertise these services on their website. It is time journals made a full disclosure of their sources of funding”.

The HPV Vaccine -- Just One Example of Inappropriate Influence Endangering Public Health

Last month the National Vaccine Information Center (www.NVIC.org) called on the Obama Administration and Congress to investigate Gardasil vaccine risks. NVIC has long questioned the inappropriate influence of vaccine manufacturers in federal vaccine licensing and policymaking and state vaccine mandates.

In 2006, Merck's Gardasil vaccine was fast tracked by the FDA at Merck's request and in 2007 Merck lobbyists mounted an aggressive lobbying campaign to get Gardasil mandated by state legislators for all sixth grade girls, which would have assured the big drug company a predictable market.

The Pharma lobbying effort in 2007 to get all states to mandate Gardasil failed but every other vaccine produced by drug companies and licensed by the FDA in the past quarter century has been mandated. Those new mandates were added to state vaccine laws by legislators and public health officials at the urging of vaccine manufacturer lobbyists and Pharma funded organizations touting vaccine studies published in the medical literature.

Massive Increase in Number of Vaccines Given

In the past three decades, the numbers of doses of government recommended vaccines for children and medical organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics has tripled to 69 doses of 16 vaccines, with 48 doses of 14 vaccines targeted to children under age six.

Pharma lobbyists have persuaded most states to pass laws requiring two to three dozen doses of most of the 16 government recommended vaccines. Last year New Jersey became the first state to mandate influenza vaccine for children attending daycare and school.

In the past few years, Dr. Jefferson has authored several independent reviews of influenza studies published in the medical literature for the Cochrane Collaboration, which have been published in the British Medical Journal, questioning the quality of published scientific evidence for influenza vaccine effectiveness and safety for the elderly as well as children.

Clearly, if the makers and marketers of vaccines can influence the quality and quantity of the scientific evidence published in the medical literature proving that vaccines are safe and effective -- evidence that is used by states to mandate vaccines and by the U.S. Court of Claims to deny compensation to vaccine injured children -- then Congress was wrong in 1986 to protect the makers and marketers of vaccines from liability for injuries and deaths caused by those vaccines.

Government Vaccine Recommendations Based on Tainted Evidence

The U.S. Court of Claims vaccine injury compensation awards, and state vaccine mandates are justified on the strength of scientific published in medical journals.

It is time for medical journals to disclose all financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry. It is time for studies questioning the safety and effectiveness of vaccines to receive a fair hearing in scientific journals rather than editors confining themselves to primarily publishing studies funded by the pharmaceutical industry maintaining that every vaccine is totally safe, effective and necessary.

Kudos to the British Medical Journal for having the integrity to publish Dr. Jefferson's comprehensive analysis of pharmaceutical money influence on vaccine studies published in the medical literature. Hopefully, this will be a wake-up call for the scientific community, Congress and the public to put an end to the undue influence the pharmaceutical industry has on the science and policy of mass vaccination in the U.S.

Oana-Laura spune:

sursa: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/03/05/Vaccine-Studies-Under-the-Influence-of-Pharma.aspx

Sheannamp spune:

Xio, gresesti.
Din pacate, taman porcariile care sunt cel mai des utilizate pe copii (ca sa fim on-topic) gen ceiulete si siropele ce "stimuleaza imunitatea" sau diverse complexe de vitamine cu cat mai multi conservanti colorati si gustosi NU sunt testate prin trialuri randomizate si controlate.
In consecinta, eficienta si MAI ALES efectele adverse/interactiunile dintre ele si alte tratamente sau alimente sau pur si simplu profilul individual NU SUNT si NICI NU POT FI CUNOSCUTE.
Dar pentru ca mamica dragutza de pe forum sau de la etajul 5 le-a folosit fara probleme APARENTE atunci sigur e SAFE sa le indesam si noi pe gatul copiilor.
CA doar OBEZITATEA, DIABETUL ZAHARAT, DISLIPIDEMIA, HIPERTENSIUNEA, SINDROMUL DE OVAR POLICHISTIC sau ADHD sunt sigur date de vaccinuri deci nu de siropelele "imunostimulatoare" sau multivitaminele

Sa nu va vaccinati anti HPV fetele! Invatati-le sa practice abstinenta atunci si sa evite orice mijloc prin care se pot infecta. Macar pana la 18 ani sa ramana virgine ca poate dupa aia or putea sa hotarasca singure.

Mirela, manipularea prin media e foarte interesanta. Ar trebui sa ma mire ca se practica si prin tari civilizate dar nu.
Sa stii ca nu suntem asa de tampiti/naivi sau corupti precum se doreste sa parem. NIci noi, amaratii astia din Romania si , mai ales cei care lucreaza in tari care stiu sa ii respecte pe medici.
Bolile sunt la fel ca acum o suta-doua-500 de ani, doar ca acum stim sa le diagnosticam mai usor si incercam sa le si tratam. Si avem si cu ce. In plus, de la Pasteur incoace am invatat ca pe unele le putem si preveni. E muuuuuult mai eficient.

XIO spune:

Sheannamp , eu ma refeream la medicamente , celelalte , gen vitamine , suplimente , in special cele facute pt. fitness si culturisti se poate sa nu fie testate. Cele facute in America si cateva din Asia sigur nu sunt testate. In America cel putin astea pt. sali nu trec prin test ca si medicamentele normale , sunt lansate pe piata imediat.

"Mult mai grava ar fi etichetarea nedreapta a unei persoane pe care nu o cunosc deloc "

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Qamar spune:

Anna, asta mi-a amintit de bancul ala cu cea mai buna metoda contraceptiva. Aspirina. Cum? Tinuta bine de tot intre genunchi :-))

Nu trebuie sa devii abstinenta ca sa nu risti contaminarea, fetele noastre pot fi invatate sa se protejeze, pot fi invatate ca e ceva firesc sa mergi la ginecolog dupa ce ti-ai inceput viata sexuala, etc.....nu?


edit: asta in ideea ca nu e obligatoriu ca atunci cand iti pierzi virginitatea sa primesti ca bonus un HPV; exista totusi destule femei ajunse la maturitate sexuala s-au protejat, analizat, verificat, etc si sunt OK

deci ce zic eu aici e ca mai bine inveti copila aia ce sa faca, ce sa nu faca--

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